More than Sibling Rivalry: The Andhra Pradesh Conflict
I remember, as a child, packing my suitcase to get ready for a two-month vacation in Hyderabad. The moment the flight landed at the Begumpet Airport, I knew I would have another memorable summer to cherish. At the end of the two months, the only thing that helped me get back on the plane was the promise of another summer like the one just spent. For me, Hyderabad was the place that made me feel the most content. And so I moved back permanently.
Hyderabad, historically, has been cosmopolitan. It has been called home by many diverse people, and has accepted them and drawn them with its charm. Centuries ago, it was the center of international trade for diamonds during the Nizam period, and it is once again becoming so in the present era of globalization. And in spite of its present state of chaotic growth, Hyderabad still bears evidence that it was once hauntingly beautiful; the elegant Nizam structures, the enchanting landscapes of massive rock formations, and lakes that are all but dry now. People from all over the country flock to get a taste of the original Hyderabadi Biryani.
It’s my home.
Today, Hyderabad is also at the center of an intense political crisis that has broken out in India. One that disturbs not just the city, but also the state in which it lies.
Hyderabad is the capital city of Andhra Pradesh, a state that was created a few years after India gained independence from British rule as a homeland for Telugu-speaking people from a variety of different political regions, some not even formally under British rule. The region of Andhra was separated from Madras State and annexed to the Hyderabad State, to create the state of Andhra Pradesh in 1956. The creation of Andhra Pradesh was very influential, in that it led to the linguistic basis of state organization for India’s diverse peoples. Language, as Ramachandra Guha writes in India After Gandhi, was even more influential in creating political identity than religion in postcolonial India. But in Andhra Pradesh, where the paradigm of language-based statehood began, language would also prove strangely insufficient as a unifying identity from the start.
There were three adjacent regions inhabited by Telugu-speaking people that were brought together to form Andhra Pradesh: Coastal Andhra, which lies on India’s Southeastern peninsula and was a part of the Madras province during British rule; Rayalaseema, a landlocked region in the West adjoining Karnataka; and Telangana, the region surrounding the city of Hyderabad and was part of the former princely state of the same name. The leaders of Telangana were reluctant to join Andhra Pradesh, but went along. Since then, the demand for a separate Telangana state has continued, with two major agitations since its inception. Osmania University, the college that I attend, is known as the nerve center of both. The first agitation in 1969 ended with fatalities; 369 were lost, most of them students. The second agitation took place just one month ago, when the leader of the party calling for a separate state went on a hunger strike. This gave rise to students, lawyers, government employees, industrial workers and other sections of the population all taking to the streets demanding a separate state. Fearing the worst, the government of India rather abruptly announced at the stroke of midnight on December 9th that it would take steps to create a separate Telangana state.
The celebrations of the leaders and supporters of the Telangana movement lasted all night, heard clearly in my neighborhood due to its proximity to Osmania University. But the rest of Andhra Pradesh has become worried and infuriated with the ruling Congress party for its unilateral decision. Many people from outside Telangana have established stakes in Hyderabad and wonder what separation means for them. It has since been the turn of politicians from the non-Telangana regions to call for protests and strikes. The Congress party, the victors in the most recent election, has found itself clearly divided in half over this issue.
But politics aside, it is the concerns of ordinary citizens, and of those in Hyderabad in particular, that reveal the full gravity of the present situation. Telangana sees Hyderabad as its natural capital, dismissing suggestions that even if Andhra Pradesh were to be bifurcated, Hyderabad could remain as a common capital city for all regions (as is the case of Chandigarh, which is shared as a capital by the states of Punjab and Haryana). People from the non-Telangana regions of Andhra Pradesh aren’t happy about losing Hyderabad; as the capital city, it has drawn investors for generations. In addition to the financial stakes, there is a cultural dimension to the bond. Hyderabad has not been the sort of city that divides and throws out its own; it is in fact arguable that Hyderabad is one of the major melting pots of India. It has been both Muslim and Hindu, Telugu and Urdu. People from different parts of India - Kayasthas from Uttar Pradesh, Tamils employed in railways, Marwaris from Rajasthan and of course the Maharashtrians and Kannadigas from the neighboring states of Bombay and Mysore- have lived in Hyderabad. And since 1956, it has comprised Telangana, and Andhra, and Rayalaseema. It has been both HiTech and Old City. But for the first time, the people of Hyderabad are beginning to wonder who they are. The search for identity has reared its ugly head. There is also emerging anxiety in Hyderabad: some people are choosing to speak in English instead of Telugu, lest their dialect (be it Telangana or Andhra) expose them as outsiders. All this in their own state; in their own country.
Why did all this have to be? Some of Telangana’s grievances are indeed legitimate. While Hyderabad has prospered economically, the rest of Telangana has remained largely poor and is one of the most underdeveloped regions in the whole country. The dominant culture of Andhra Pradesh has been a coastal Andhra one, with Telangana culture and language (which is largely Telugu with a mix of Urdu and Hindi) often being caricatured in Telugu cinema. Hyderabad has gone from a largely Muslim-and Hindu-Telangana culture to an increasingly Andhra-Telugu one. Following the establishment of Telangana, there was a deluge of migrants from Andhra, of whom most could speak only one language and were thus not exposed to cosmopolitanism. These migrants held the reigns of political power in the newly formed state, helping them to promote their own lifestyles and dialect in the city. Their speech and cultural forms were drastically different from those of the local Telugu population. In addition, Telangana’s resources have been exploited - diversion of the region’s natural resources, such as water and raw materials, and the income drawn from them comprises 45% of the state’s aggregate. But when it comes to the distribution of funds, Telangana’s share is only 28%. The local Telangana youth are threatened by the competition for jobs by the rest of the state. The protests were extensive despite the fact that their aim was politically viable. Most major political parties supported the call for a separate Telangana in recent elections, and it got them the votes. Now, each of these parties has either back-pedaled, or found itself divided on regional lines between those who are for a separate Telangana and those who are not.
Those who are opposed to the formation of a separate Telangana state also face numerous concerns and counter-grievances. Telangana truly has been neglected and undeveloped, but so has the Rayalaseema region, and, indeed, so has much of rural India. There are also administrative and commercial concerns. The state is losing money, and the information technology businesses that fueled Hyderabad’s recent boom are wary. On a side note, the Facebook page for a united Andhra Pradesh has around 25,000 members whilst the separate Telangana one has around 500. Is separate statehood the only solution to perceived grievances?
However, when I see children aged four to senior citizens marching in Telangana villages chanting “Jai Telangana Jai Jai Telangana”, or thousands of college students from all over the Telangana region getting together to attend the ‘Vidyarthi Garjana’ (roar of students), I realize that there may be no way for the state to remain united. That, just perhaps, the Telangana movement may strive for something more than economic prosperity - that it may be for the very social and cultural identity of its people.
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Article said (in 6th para) “Rayalseema, a landlocked region in the West adjoining Karnataka; and Telangana, the region surrounding the city of Hyderabad and was part of the former princely state of the same name.”.
Both Rayalaseema and Coastal Andhra were part of British India and Madras state until they were seperated in 1953 to form Andhra state. Andhra state was merged with Telangana in 1956 to form Andhra Pradesh state.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telangana for more details.
Please correct the article. Thanks.
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The author of this article is ill-informed. He said Telangana is one of the poorest regions in India. What evidence does he have for this claim. Even neighbouring Vidarbha region (of Maharashtra) is poorer. If you compare literacy rates of Telangana with the rest of Andhra Pradesh it is the same. This is a far cry from the state of affairs in Telangana under the Muslim Nizam. At that time of the Nizam the disparity between Telangana and the other Telugu regions was huge. Late Kodati Narayana Rao, one of the stalwarts of the Andhra Mahasabha movement in Telangana, had written in his memoirs that there was not a single High School in the entire Nalgonda district in his childhood and a College could only be seen at Hyderabad and nowhere else in Telangana, not even in Warangal. This compared quite unfavourably with the British-ruled Telugu districts where there were several High Schools in Krishna District itself. And keep in mind the Telugu people of the British-ruled Telugu districts complained constantly that they were neglected by the British in favour of the Tamils. But even though the Telugus were neglected by the British they were still far better off than their Muslim-ruled Telugu brothers in Telangana. It was only towards the end of the Nizam Rule, a few years before the Police Action in 1948, that a High School was set up at Nalgonda. The author talks about some glorius past under the Nizam. The author clearly has never picked up a book about Telangana history. The Telugu people of Telangana lived under arguably the most feudal regime on earth. Telangana was in abject egregious poverty which is hard to fathom today. The Telangana masses lived as virtual slaves for jaageerdaars. Jaageerdaars were feudal cheifs who owed their allegiance to the Nizam. The Communists, Hyderabad Congress, Andhra Mahasabha, Arya Samaj etc. all worked feverishly for the abolition of the feudal Jaageerdaari system. In the case of dalits it was actual slavery. Each dalit family had to donate one son to work for free for the jaageerdaar. How do you think Mir Osman Ali Khan (the last Nizam) became the richest man in the world in one of the poorest regions of the world. This was the most ruthless economic system in the world. The wealth of Telangana was sucked out into his pockets. The monuments of Telangana were built by the blood sweat tears and wealth of the Telangana people. Despite the fact that 85% of Hyderabad’s population was Hindu, 85% of the Hyderabad Civil Service was Muslim. These numbers resemble Apartheid South Africa. Does the author honestly think that Hyderabad would have become the global knowledge IT centre it is today if the Nizam’s feudal economic system, which kept the Telangana masses in illiteracy and serfdom, had continued. That very group of Telugu migrants that the author denigrates contributed mightily in the build up of Hyderabads knowledge economy. They also poured money into Hyderabad and Telangana. Does the author not know that these migrants also picked up the local Urdu once they settled in Hyderabad as well as English. Here is another fact. The Kannada speaking region ruled by the Nizam was the poorest Kannada speaking region. Kannada speakers in neighbouring regions such as Mysore Kingdom and British-ruled Bombay Presidency were better of. The Marathi-speaking region ruled by the Nizam was the poorest Marathi-speaking region in India as well. So bad was the Nizam’s rule that the British striped him of Berar region for maladministration. Any reader of this author’s article would have no inkling of what transpired under the Nizam. It is like mentioning the glorius past of the American South with out mentioning the slavery that was the foundation of its society and economy. The author also says that Telangana leaders were not in favour of joining Andhra Pradesh after liberation from the Nizam. First of all, Telangana Telugu people were living in their own state called Hyderabad State after the removal of the Nizam. Hyderabad State existed from 1948 to 1956. It was a democratic state which followed the Indian constitution. The masses of the Telangana people were mainly led by the powerful communist party, which was going all out for the formation of Vishalandhra (Greater Andhra). Sundaraiah, one of the most respected Telangan Communist leaders and was also one of the top leaders of the Telangana Armed Struggle together with Chandra Rajeswar Rao and Devulapalli Venkateswara Rao, wrote his thesis on “People’s State in Greater Andhra” and fervently advocated the merger of Telangana Districts with Andhra. Incidentally K.V. Ranga Reddy and M. Channa Reddy, who spearheaded the Separate Telangana Agitation in 1956, were die-hard feudal leaders and had been among the most bitter enemies of the people’s armed struggle in Telangana. As such the masses of the people in Telangana in those days, except perhaps some petty bourgeois elements in the towns, did not in any way support the separatists. Many of them stayed neutral and remained aloof while yet many others actively supported the Vishalandhra movement under the inspiration and guidance of the Communist party as well as the Congress leaders who stood for unification. But lets forget about the Communists for a second. Lets look at what the democratically elected politicans of Telangana favoured. The great Telangana leader, Burgula Ramakrishna Rao, was democatically elected by the people of Hyderabad State. (The Telugu people in the Andhra and Rayalseema regions had no vote or say in his election because they were living in a separate state called Andhra State at that time) Burgula Ramakrishna Rao favoured unification of Telangana with the other Telugu regions. It was Burgula who later on argued fervently against the Fazl Ali Commission Report, courageously opposed Azad’s invectives and, securing the support of G.B. Pant, prevailed upon Nehru to agree to the formation of united Andhra Pradesh (Vishalandhra). It is true that some leaders such as K.V. Ranga Reddy and his son-in-law M. Channa Reddy, who were die-hard feudal leaders, supported separate Telangana. Even Channa Reddy in the 1970s changed his tune and later on served as Chief Minister of a unified A.P twice in the 1970s and in the late 1980s. I am sorry to say that the author is outright lying or is ignorant when he says Telangana leaders favoured a separate Telangana after the fall of the Nizam. I can write much more but I shall srop here. I love all Telugu people!
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Navya Reply:
January 24th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
Mr. Ramesh,
I believe that you have completely misinterpreted my article, and have made some false claims.
I am failing to understand why you connected the Nizam period to the current situation. My article deals with the situation AFTER the formation of the unified state of Andhra Pradesh. First of all, Hyderabad State which was formed after the fall of the Nizam, was democratic from the year 1948 to 1956. It was under the Indian government from 1948 to 1952, but had an elected chief minister from 1952 to 1956. If Telangana remained as a separate state, it would not have been under the Nizam rule, but a state which is part of democratic India, like the states of Karnataka and Maharashtra. You stated that the Kannada speaking region was very poor under the Nizam rule, which is very much true but that has no relevance what so ever to the current situation. Karnataka now is greatly developed as a separate state. I have never once talked about the glorious past during the Nizam period, I just talked about the beauty and landscape of the period that is still evident today. However, since you have brought up that issue, I would like to clear a few things.
1) it shocks me that you can speak so highly of the British. If the British have established all those schools and have developed the people so much, why did Gandhi lead the fight for an independent India? True, there were many injustices during the Nizam rule, but what does that have to do with the underdevelopment of the Telangana region now? If I may ask, can you name me one instance where the people of Telangana opposed the Nizam rule directly? As for slavery, that was very much evident in the Andhra region also. What can you say to the practice of “kanya-sulkam” where brides were sold as slaves? And were they not slaves to the British too? One also cannot argue the infrastructure that was present during its rule. For example, the Nizam Railway System was one of a kind at that time, there was no such railway in the Andhra region.
2)True, there were not many schools in the rural areas during the Nizam period, but literacy is something that has developed after India gained independence. The rules set forth by the Government of India helped in raising the literacy rate all over India.
I would like to emphasize again, the Nizam period argument has NO relevance to the current situation.
3) As I said in my article, “while Hyderabad has prospered economically, the rest of Telangana has remained largely poor and is one of the most underdeveloped regions in the whole country.” I did not question whether it is more poor than the other regions or not, I have also stated that much of rural India remains poor too. However, I did say that it is one of the most underdeveloped regions in the whole country, which I am going to stand by strongly. Can you explain to me why the irrigation projects in the state completely aid the Andhra region, but fail to develop the Telangana region where both the Krishna and Godavari rivers flow through? Why are the resources of Telangana constantly diverted and exploited to benefit the Andhra Region?
4) You claim “that very group of Telugu migrants that the author denigrates contributed mightily in the build up of Hyderabads knowledge economy.” What did they do in building Hyderabad’s knowledge economy? And they “poured money into Hyderabad and Telangana”? From where did they “pour the money”? The IT industry was not built by migrants. Till now, how many Andhrites speak and understand the Urdu language, which was the lingua franca at that time? The dominant culture of the Andhrites never gave room for them to pick up languages. How can you explain the Andhra-Telugu culture that is prevalent in Hyderabad today? Assimilation is always accepted, dominance is not.
5) You claimed that Burgula Ramakrishna Rao “favoured unification of Telangana with the other Telugu regions.” Sir, you are greatly mistaken in this claim. He was neutral, but never for or against. Here is the direct link to the letter he wrote to then President of the Congress Party, U.N. Dhebar:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Hyderabad_CM_Burgula_Views_about_merger
In the letter, he caputured Telangana people’s voice in the statements “My estimate of the views of the people of Telangana is that the people by majority would desire Telangana to remain a separate state.”, “but the majority is decidedly in favour of retaining Telangana as a separate province as recommended by the SRC” , “There should, however, be no doubt in anybody’s mind that the majority opinion is inclined towards a separate Telangana Province.” He mentioned 3 times in one paragraph what majority of Telangana people want. Remember these are his views. This is his reading of the situation. He is not paraphrasing somebody else.
6) JAWAHARLAL NEHRU NEVER LIKED THE IDEA OF A UNITED ANDHRA PRADESH. There is a statement where he himself said that annexing the Andhra region into Hyderabad State is going to result in something very similar to the British Colonization of India. He greatly supported the Gentlemen’s Agreement, which prevented the Telangana region from being exploited. One of the main reasons for the separate Telangana movement is because of the violation of this agreement.
5) Sundaraiah was not a Telanganite, all the prominent Communist Leaders were Andhrites.
Do you Mr. Ramesh, understand what I meant when i stated that “children aged four to senior citizens marching in Telangana villages chanting “Jai Telangana Jai Jai Telangana”, or thousands of college students from all over the Telangana region getting together to attend the ‘Vidyarthi Garjana’ (roar of students)?” If common people are participating in such events, does it not clearly show how much they want a separate state? After all, those who face the most hardships and are ripped of the resources required to make a living are the ones who represent the current situation.
Fighting over something that happened during the Nizam rule is not helping in thinking about the greater good of the common people now.
P.S: I love all Telugu people too, and the whole world for that matter:)
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Praveen Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 6:13 am
Gentle man aggrement was only violated for first time, from second term onwards the deputy CM post was done for a long time, other then this no one exactly doesn’t tell what a gentlen agreement is meant by???
When in 1971 the ‘Jai Andhra’ movement is started by north andhra people it is the T leaders and people who supported and propogated visalandhra/United ANdhra and didn’t accpeted for bifurcation., so the saying/myth/bad propoganda that T movement is 50 years old is an absolute blunder
In Nizam period hyd is not in any crossroads of any business activity, moreover given (as a rent/lease tyep) the andhra/rayalseems to britishes and with that money they enjoyed themseleve and built the airport/railways/horse race course in hyd for thier (nizam) own purpose (but they were not sufficient schools) but not for people
Projects are sustainable in low lying areas, if a project is built in middle of telangana the area submerged is more then the area which is brought under cultivation., and to build a huge project like nagarjuna sagar many democratic features (like a narrow pass with surrounding hills) is unlikely in telangana.
Note: The only major project construct after AP is formed is ’sri ram sagar’ (major projects nor minor) which is exclusively catered to Telangana region., all other major useful projects like nagarjunasagar,davaleswaram are constructed/started before AP is formed
Nehru didn’t like the formation of new states on basis of linguistics but he is not against Andhra Pradesh., and no time he is agiainst Telangana merging with Andhra after the state formations are started
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Tanvi Reply:
January 26th, 2010 at 8:02 am
With all due respect Just to tell you know..that building Dams..even Nagarjun sagar dams…is not democratic. In fact, we have destroyed the flaura and fauna, the culture and the people who lived in that area before the dam was built. The project is huge, only in terms of claims. It has not delivered its promises, nor has it benifited us in any way…it has caused more harm. Read up dams before you post any arguments.
Navya Reply:
January 31st, 2010 at 1:10 pm
Mr. Praveen,
I did not want to reply to your comments because as you said, very rudely, I am “just another dumb brainwashed pro T”. I thought that replying to your comments will be a waste of my time because you didn’t even understand what I was trying to say.
However, due to the fact that I am keeping mum, you are completely twisting everything in your own way.
1) Please read what the Gentleman’s Agreement is before posting your views. Like Krutika said, it is self-explanatory. The Gentleman’s Agreement was written to protect the people of Telangana from discrimination. It provided reassurances in terms of power sharing as well as administrative domicile rules and distribution of expenses of various regions. One of the major points in the agreement was that if the Chief Minister is from one region, a Deputy Chief Minister should be appointed from the other region. You know what’s funny? The Gentlemen’s Agreement was violated in 1956 itself when Sanjiva Reddy, the first Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh, refused to name any Telangana minister as Deputy Chief Minister saying that the Deputy Chief Ministership is like the unwanted sixth finger of the hand. The Deputy Chief Ministership rule, like the other rules, were never followed since then.
2) Please read how the “Jai Andhra movement” started, and do not blow off the 50-year old Telangana movement as false propaganda. Do not blame the people for the faults of power hungry politicians. Only some of the leaders opposed the movement, not the common people. It was NEVER the common people.
3) In my article, I said that “it was the center of international trade for diamonds during the Nizam period”. I never talked about any other business activity, so I have no idea why you are bringing up that topic. And, contrary to your beliefs, The Nizam Railways was built to connect Hyderabad with the rest of British India. You can find that bit of info in any history book. Why was Hyderabad chosen as the capital city if not for its infrastructure and strategic location?
4) Dams are not the solution to the problems. However, there are other means for irrigation which can be adopted, but are never taken up.
5)Jawaharlal Nehru agreed to the unification because of the Gentleman’s Agreement, which has been constantly neglected ever since its inception.
Lastly, you may argue all you want, but the most important element of the Telangana Movement is for IDENTITY. That is the whole point of my article , which you have clearly overlooked. The democratic component of the movement will not go away even if power hungry politicians come and go.
Praveen Reply:
January 31st, 2010 at 10:24 pm
Hi Navya, I didn’t meant to castigate you in any form.,
1)If you take Gentleman’s aggrement as a indicator, when CM’s are elected from Telangana no one from andhra/seema is made as deputy CM., so its was breaked by two sides., Upto a wave called NTR came who thrown out congress its the Telangana leaders who are in limelight, NTR came on issue of ‘Telugu Pride’ after which we Telugu people got some unique recognition (upto that time we are called madrasis)
2)Ponnala Laksmaiah who belongs to Telangana is the irrigation minister from last six years., what he had done when he is in lime light., kcr is in center cabinet minister for 3 to 4 years., why he didn’t done any lobbying at center for any favours for telangana instead of always memorising T mantra..
3)when ‘Jai Andhra’ movement is started its the Marri Chenna Reddy from Telangana (he is the culript behing 1969 movement like kcr now) who chanted ‘vislandra’ (then term for united andhra) and tried (and succeeded) without the state to break. So its leaders who are instigating us (and making us hearts/brains) with wrong ideas and making us to dance to their tunes..
Navya Reply:
February 1st, 2010 at 2:15 am
I do not know how many times I have to repeat this…The Telangana movement is ULTIMATELY a People’s Movement, a poor man’s at that. Power hungry politicians will come and go, but the movement will never die. The main element is for IDENTITY.
1) Exactly, why should the rule apply to a Telangana CM if it is broken by the other side first? Should there be favoritism directed to one side, which has been the case so far? And here, I am blaming the Andhra politicians, not the common people of Andhra. Andhra Pradesh was ruled by Telangana chief ministers for only 6-1/2 years out of over five decades of its existance. No Telangana chief minister was in power continuously for more than 2-1/2 years. THERE ARE OTHER points in the agreement that were broken too. Read the whole agreement WITHOUT bias, you can see which other ones were broken.
2) Excuse me, but lobbying and getting government favors are not a good thing. It is similar to bribing. And yes, KCR never contested with the basis of saying that he will develop the Telangana region, his slogan was always to create a separate state. He only made promises to create a separate state. Furthermore, remember that KCR is not going to become the CM, nor is Ponnala Lakshmaiah. You ask why the Telangana politicians don’t do anything. If the state government is greatly influenced by Andhra politicains, how can the Telangana politicians do anything in the first place?
3) The movement in 1969 was started by students, but was ended by selfish politicians. The movement now was instigated by KCR, but it is now COMPLETELY taken over by the common people. The sentiments of the people of Telangana did not die from the past 50 years. I know that Channa Reddy did a u-turn, he was another one of those power hungry politicians. Also, The Jai Andhra movement in 1971 did not have any support from the Central Government.
What is your problem if there is a separate state? There will be regional development with a population that is manageable. The underdeveloped regions in Andhra(like Srikakulam) can be concentrated more, just like in Telangana. Vishakapatnam or Vijayawada can become a booming capital.
To tell you the truth, I am tired of arguing the same things over and over again. Your views will not change, and neither will mine.
the statement that Anigalla.net made:
” @Praveen
No point in trying to educate the educated people who are acting the sleep, you can’t wake them up ever.”
Well, right back at you.
Now, all we can do, is remember that we are INDIANS first, living in a democratic country, where the will of the people should be respected above all. IF the people of a region want to govern themselves, what right do you or I have to condemn their wishes?
Praveen Reply:
February 1st, 2010 at 9:50 am
I also got VERY VERY TIRED to repeat the same that requesting you don’t listen to wrong propaganda..
1)Its reply is like If I lost one eye the other must loose two (nothing wrong in it
).. Telangana is only ruled by telangana leaders (no person from out of telangana contested or won from there), It is given enough seats ministries according to its size, only the CM is out of telangana (may be it coincidental, but not deliberately).. If you argument regarding 61/2 is taken in 63 years of Independent India is only ruled for 5 years by a person from south., then south India must also separate from India.. This reply is looking like an crap na., then your argument is also the same crap.. In the past 50 years did you saw any andhra ruler castigating an telangana leader/person but daily I am seeing the telangana leaders scolding the andhra people as if they had took their wife.
2) Lobbying!!! if telangana leaders didn’t have lobbying capacity how can they get the cream ministries like home, irrigation, IT etc??? I can’t stop my laugh
due to ur support reason to KCR.. if a person is on death bed and two persons came one who wants to cure him and who wants to give mercy killing.. Ur argument is like supporting the mercy killing doctor.. leave the agenda with what kcr came to power., what he had done to Telangana??? As an elected representative It is his duty to solve the people’s problems during his tenure (leave his other agenda). but I heard after getting elected he never visited his constituency upto next elections (you better know the veracity of this issue)
)
If not KCR (trs) or Ponnala or Jana reddy (cong) or Nagam (tdp) who are you thinking can become CM if telangana formed., can you tell me any other big telangana leader other then them??? (dont tell jayashankar or kodandaram
3) Movement of 1969 was instigated by marri chenna reddy who provoked student leaders in OU.. after he became CM it he (and his followers) who suppressed ‘Jai Andhra’ movement.. even some leaders were kept in jails for a month then (its not happened in 1969)
My Problem is I (and crores of my fellow people) WANT MY STATE TO BE UNITED FOREVER.. Its my wish and as you said I want to express and proliferate my view (like you are doing).. and a small info our generation slowly forgotten about the telangana agitation which happened in 1969 and its this kcr who for his selfish reasons again raised this in 2001 and at that time we are in our adolescent stages., so many of my fellow bros got brain washed.. I want them to realize the facts..
& Even I am toooooo tired of giving replies
Navya Reply:
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:45 am
So, sir, please kindly don’t reply
All the points you raised are a misinterpretation of Telangana’s history and of what I said. One can only argue with someone who can interpret the truth and speaks without any personal bias.
And AGAIN, for the millionth time, please do not condemn the Telangana movement based on power hungry politicians.
I know that you will again reply to this, saying something or the other about me not understanding the history, and how you are correct. But seriously, the discussion will end up nowhere.
P.S: It is hard at times to understand your English, please correct your grammer.
Praveen Reply:
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:34 am
So mam thanks for ur suggstion (to adivising me not to reply
)
My views are may be against ur views but they are not misinterpretation of T movement..
I am not condemning T movement but commending UAP..
Yes the discussion will not end anywhere.. If you can show a lakh reasons for T movement, I can show a million reasons for UAP movement..
P.S: The internet colloquial language will be like this and at this rate also my colloquial grammar is better then urs
shravan Reply:
February 11th, 2010 at 6:51 am
Praveen,
When you asked the author to name one good Telangana leader, did you ever think of asking yourself the question: is there any good Andhra leader?
hmmm…seems to me there isn’t. Name ONE non-corrupt politician in our state.
So, like the author already said, “do not condemn the movement based on power hungry politicians”.
I can’t stop MY laugh when you say that leaders should lobby! Praveen, I am sorry to say, but everyone does not have the kind of money that Andhra politicians have to bribe and influence the government.
Does not matter if you have a million reasons since they are all biased.
P.S: Did not know that “loose” is the term used for “lose” in internet colloquial language.
Praveen Reply:
February 11th, 2010 at 10:34 am
Shravan
I asked if there is any one good telangana leader who will give a reasonable roadmap for telangana developement(extra more then it is getting now if it forms) or a good leader who had a good credibility so that people trust him.. It didn’t mean that all andhra/seema leaders (or atleast one) are good.. I didn’t mean that at any time.. If we see the politicians in our country we can count the good ones on our fingers (if any are there)
Already I said that I am not condemning T movement but commending UAP movement
Andhra politicians had wealth & influence but the Telangana leaders had equal (or may be more) wealth & influence. In last term no leader from andhra/seema (or in entire AP) didn’t got the good(or somewhat good) central cabinet ministry which KCR got..
If they didn’t have influence how can the T leaders got the state home ministry (which is the most sought ministry after finance) in both past & present terms., It is a myth (if we believe) that T leaders didn’t have wealth & power at par with andhra/seema leaders..
If you still laugh without ignoring these facts then nothing can I do but
Regarding the spellings(loose or lose or whatever it is) I am not as punctilious as you
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shravan Reply:
February 14th, 2010 at 11:35 am
The situation cannot get any worse than it is already in a united AP, there are no politicians whom we can trust anywhere. At least the people will have hope that the situation can get better because they will have the right to raise their voice with the assurance that it will be heard.
Telangana Home Ministry?
Sabitha Reddy was given that post to be a puppet for YSR Reddy, she doesn’t support the Telangana movement, even though she is from Telangana. She doesn’t know anything about politics or leadership.
I am still laughing at you because you cannot accept the fact that money gives the power for Andhra politicans. LAGADAPATI IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THAT!
One more thing, you are always saying that the Telangana people forgot about the movement after 1969 until KCR raised it again in 2004. Do not talk about matters which you do not know. In every decade since 1969, there have been meetings on Telangana for a separate state. For example, in the early 1990s, there were 10 lakh people who got together in Warangal to discuss this issue. The only difference is that in 2004, it was organized in a political manner. Do not twist and recreate history.
Read economic growth of India articles which provide solutions to help us in making our country one of the top three nations in the world in a few years. Studies show that having smaller states will increase the development rate and GDP because it will be more manageable.
When you talk about development in Hyd by Andhras, question yourself if that is really development. Having tall buildings and software companies(which I believe happened because of globalization, not because of Andhras), is not helping in putting people out of poverty. Our roads are impossible to drive in if it rains, there are also many casualties that occur because of the man-holes in the which are not covered up properly. Having real estate prices that are sky high is not helping the common man in fulfilling their dream of buying a home. Development of the people is different from development of a region.
You are commending a movement which will not help our country in becoming a DEVELOPED nation.
Praveen Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 10:48 am
Shravan
You are not sure yourself about what the future roadmap will be, what you say is only ‘hope’ but in India it has max chances it may turn into another Jharkand
The T agitation came upto this stage because sabitha is Home minister, she had soft corner on students at OU & agitators in hyd, if really the home minister is from other region he will not tolerate the daily castigations/blackmailing we are seeing daily in TV’s.. Rosaiah is unable to control her as he himself is a puppet to sonia.. It the sure the situation will be in another manner if Home minister is from another reigon..
You can laugh without knowing anything because lagadpati is one of the main beneficiary (he himself admitted this once) if state is divided because he had a huge lands around Guntur-vijaywada where the prices will go rooftop if state is bifurcated
when ‘jai Andhra’ movement is started in 1971 its the Telangana people who pacified the people/leaders of Utharandha and stood for samikyandhra, if you dont know this then you are talking dumbly.. I not twisting history but you are recreating some new things
Did you had any statistical evidence/research written by eminent professors/intellectuals or research papers which said that small states lead to prosperity..(please dont show articles written by so called professors like jayashankar) Its only a just saying.. Gujarath, Maharastha (the most or somewhat developed) states are big states not small ones..
If you want statistics here are statistics of HDI,
One of the interesting fact is that of the top 5 districts having High HDI, 3 are from Telangana region.!!!!
http://www.ncaer.org/Downloads/WorkingPapers/WP99.pdf
I never told/quoted that Hyd is only developed by Andhra people (nor telangana people). Don’t talk like a moron without reading what I wrote. It seems you had some prefix thoughts in you mind. Hyderabad is cosmopolitan city whose development is by people of all regions, be it andhra,seems,telangana,tn,orissa,malayalis or anyother people. Roads/Traffic are like this every where in India be it in Mumbai or Bangalore. A separate Telangana state can’t do anything for it.. who told real estate prices are indicator of developemnt??? Are you doing this T agitation so that real estate prices will come down
I don’t thing so, bcoz they are already tumbled in hyd, so no problem.. and I didn’t own a single square in hyd, so I don’t bother real estate prices in hyd..
I cant say anything except
:) 
by your last statement
shravan Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 11:33 am
It is useless arguing with people like you who do not understand the movement, its history, and its people.
I am just wasting my time.
We will see what happens once the state is created, then maybe your eyes will open.
YES, it is because of leaders like Sabitha Reddy that innocent college girls are spending their last moments in hospitals. It is because of such leaders that students are mishandled and tortured by the police. But who cares right? After all, humanity is close to dead in our state.
Praveen Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 11:48 am
Shravan
You are unable to listen to facts, and you don’t want them also.. I know from fast its a bit of waste arguing with brainwashed guys.. But I want my state be united and try to exhibit facts and want to change the perspective of some people like you.. But you are beyond reform.. Its not u, its me who is wasting my time.. Some people although educated but will only listen to illiterate morons..
Its not because of sabitha but bcoz of harishrao & kodandram the college girls are in hospital who used them for their selfish reasons.. You also know this but you don’t accept this.. The normal traffic police will give a slap on back, if we don’t stop our bike when he stops us normally.. Do you think they stay calm when the students (or goons in form of students) pelted stones on them????
P.S: In dec,2009 when the agitation started, the police entered in OU only on 4th day and that too later they are backed due to sabitha’s force and she dismissed of SI/CI who lead the police in OU, but when the agitation started in SKU & SVU the police laticharged & booked cases on students second day itself..
Praveen Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 11:51 am
“We will see what happens once the state is created”
OK, WE WILL SEE WHEN IT WILL HAPPENS???? MAY BE U HAD TO WAIT FOR UR LIFETIME
shravan Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
FACTS? LOL
I do not know which news or media you follow. You cannot accept the reason why the college girls are in hospitals, and you are still daring to make such absurd comments on such a sensitive issue.
Humanity is dead.
Praveen Reply:
February 16th, 2010 at 1:45 am
Your statement clearly shows who is dumbly supporting without seeing the facts..
Do you think the police will remain quite when the students scolded them (banda buthulu in telugu) and pelted stones on them (only some channels showed this)..
They are police man.. They don’t care you are a girl or boy if you castigate them.. They will give equal treatment (equal rights for woman)
Praveen Reply:
February 16th, 2010 at 1:46 am
Shravan ji, are you the same shravan who argued with me in some other blog regarding this issue.. If yes nice to meet you again
We people born in hyderabad want Telangana state to be created as soon as possible. It’s okay if people from other regions like Andhra want to stay but the state should be divided. Telangana generates 60-70% of total AP revenue only 28% is spent back in Telangana. If we have separate Telangana state, Hyderabad would be world class city in a short time because most of that revenue will be spent back in Hyderabad. Anyone who thinks hyd. money should be spent in andhra also, there are maratis, gujarati, punjabi’s etc in hyd. who helped in development of hyd, so you want the hyderabad money to be spent in gujarat, punjab etc? Telangana police should join Telangana movement. This would bring lot of confidence to students and they would not resort to suicides. Telangana police please consider joining telangana movement. Telangana JAC should organise Chalo Hyderabad with 50 lakh or more Telangana people. Nothing should move in Hyderabad then Centre would come to us.
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Praveen Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 4:54 am
Telangana generates 60% of state revenue!!! its ok., & 90% of it come from hyd which contain headquarters of all organisatons in Andhra PRadesh and generated from people of all regions/states residing in hyd., less hyd revenue from Telanaga is less then the expenditure in it..
Mumbai produces 6% of India’s GDP (as the richie rich of India reside there but the govt can spend 6% of its expenditure there)
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Venu D. Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Telangana contributes about 56% to the state’s revenues (without including the revenues coming from the city of Hyderabad; it would be about 76% if you include Hyderabad revenue to Telangana share.
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Praveen Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Do we have any stats??? No Body had any accurate stats.. we are just believing the outdated stats given by some misguiding professors/leaders.. As I told you in some blogs/forums the literacy rate is shown as around 30-35% (another misguiding info from our professors/leaders) in AP but according to 2001 census the AP’s literacy rate is 60%
source is wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andhra_Pradesh
The only IIT (AU in vizag lost it to hyd), IIIT, CU, & NIT for AP & world reputed ISB are all in telangana only..
Praveen T Reply:
January 29th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
your last statement itself says, Hyd is part and head of
TGS.
Without doubt, you are big nucklehead.
Praveen Reply:
January 31st, 2010 at 10:27 pm
The person who without listening to others (already decided not to listen) is the “dumb ass literate who listens to illiterate morons”
Praveen Reply:
January 31st, 2010 at 10:28 pm
Bro Praveen T first learn spellings :), its ‘knucklehead’..
The person who without listening to others (already decided not to listen) and castigate others is the “dumb ass literate who listens to illiterate morons”
Dear Author,
most of your article is logical and close to reality except the conclusion of it.
I do agree that students and people are marching on the streets for separate telangana. But do we have any idea how many of them are really aware of he facts and figures?
Or they are all misinformed with wrongly interpreted facts? Let us fight for the legitimate demands of Telangana region’s growth and development, but let us not have an idea of separating telugu people.
If not 2times since the inception of Andhra Pradesh, it may come few more times as long as we have Selfish politicians in our Telangana region who are more concerned about separation than the growth or a nature to help bringing up the lives of the people of telangana.
These leaders are as poisonous as snakes.
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Navya Reply:
January 24th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
angilla.net,
I am very sure that they are aware of the facts and figures. After all, these students are the ones that come from the Telangana villages, the ones who faced hardships in every form since they were born. I have the same students in my classrooms at college. They do not want the next generation to suffer like how the previous generations have.
Who is separating Telugu people?The Andhrites cannot convince the Telangana people to stay united. Have they succeeded in that since the past FIVE centuries? Since there is only dominance and exploitation, but never equal rights, it is natural for the people of Telangana to fight for a separate state.
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anigalla.net Reply:
January 27th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
@ Navya
Really? Then Who Am I? Didn’t i born and brought up in telangana? Didn’t i come from a middle class or lower middle class family? didn’t i see the fluoride affected regions of telangana?
But what the people of Andhra to do with all this? the number of MLAs from Andhra region are almost equal to the number of MLAs from telangana, we have 119 MLAs, what they have done for us in the past 50 years (forget about 5 centuries).
Is there someone stopping them to develop their region? 119 is not a small number, these 119 would have stood up against (united) whenever there is a project are rule came which is against to telangana, but all these leaders were sleeping all this while, and now all of them are talking only about separation, none of them have a plan for future telangana.
And how can we believe these leaders who has done nothing (if you say telangana’s growth is nothing) all this while are going to something in future. and with the divided 20MPs in a separate state (again these MPs will be split based on parties, so ruling party may have only 5 to 8 MPs in delhi) what we can demand?
today congress is having more than 30 MPs who are crucial in forming UPA government, but none of them got a good ministry, where as parties like DMK got good number of Ministers at good branches and doing good for their state (ex: Mamatha as railway in West Bengal).
If we fight and divide, no doubt we have to beg in future for anything, but even that begging will not help us.
in a way, separatists are digging the grave yard not only for the region of telangana, but also for rayalaseema and Andhra as well.
wake up people.. wake up
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Navya Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 4:34 am
anigalla.net,
I am just stating the facts as how I came across them. I know it is easy to play the “blame game”, but there is some truth to the exploitation and domination that one has to acknowledge.
You are the first person that I came across from the Telangana region who knows about the hardships personally, but does not support a separate state. I understand your point of view, but in a democratic country, where the land is ruled by the people, do you not think it is THEIR requests we have to follow? If the desire of a people of a region is to have their own state is a divisive act, then all state formations is a divisive act after all.
Based on what I know, historically, since the formation of a unified state, agreements and promises were always broken.
In regard to the politicians, Telangana is ultimately a people’s movement, a poor man’s at that. Even if power hungry politicians come and go, they cannot stop the movement. How come the people have to suffer at the politicians expense? If you do not believe when I say that people from all ages in the Telangana villages are fighting for a separate state, you can go see directly what I mean with your own eyes. The politicians now are marginalized, the people are the ones who are running the whole movement, there are leaders that emerge from them. Right now, there is social agenda, it is well known that the Chief Minister will be a Dalit. The other agenda will follow once the state is formed.
What is the agenda right now for Telangana as a part of Andhra Pradesh?
What is your solution to the issue?
You yourself say that we should remain united, but then again you say that people of the region should develop the land themselves or that they didn’t do that. If that is what you are saying, then isn’t a separate state the solution since the Andhra politicians are not developing them anyway? Both of us are basically saying the same thing.
P.S: i meant to say past five decades, i don’t know where the centuries came from
Ramesh takes great pains to explaning the feudal setting and exploitation, which endured in the days of Nizam in Telangana.There is absolutely no denying that.
However, the tragedy is,within a few years of their liberation from Razakars and feudal nawabs, another kind of nawabs invaded their land and ruled over them through the tyranny of majority.
Ramesh goes to great lengths to talk about how Burugula Ramakrishna Rao, first chief minister of Hyderabad state, favoured merger(not unification,dear Mr Ramesh!). Would he have said the same thing today? The Gentleman Agreement,signed at the time of merger in 1956, had gone to shreds,and every subsequent assurance/protection was thrown to the winds.
The article is balanced,except,sorrily, there is no reference to these agreements. They are important to remember because,after all, the merger was conditional. Like Nehru said,Union of India must live up to his word that divorce could happen any time, if the experiment failed.
Telangana people do not want to live in the past, rather they do want to make up for the lost 50 years in a separate state.
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as u wrote”the Facebook page for a united Andhra Pradesh has around 25,000 members whilst the separate Telangana one has around 500″ dont be decide with inernet groups… it is also showing that usage of internet is very less in telangana and witness again that its not devloped compared to andhra… come and see the streets of telangana every heart beating “jai telangana” we want our state.
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Navya Reply:
January 24th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
Jhani,
I am not deciding with the internet groups, I am was just stating the fact:)
I have seen the Telangana streets, and I agree with your statements.
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I can’t understant what the author want to tell., its the same old false propoganda(resources exploited, locals had no jobs blah blah)..
How many orginal hyd people are there now in entire hyd population now??? (if a person from andhra region who came some 20 years back is called ’settler’ then a person from T region who came some 5 years must be called as ’settler’., so remove the settled T guys here)..
When hyd is called a cosmopolitan city the T guys must compete with all other guys, but due to their lack of skills (and master of only one skill which they had is compalining) they are just blaming others all the time..
The author seems just another dumb brainwashed pro T guys ..
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Venu D. Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
1) Regarding you comment on false propaganda”
Per Planning commission report of Govt. of India.
More than 75 percent of canal irrigation in the state is available
to Coastal Andhra followed by 17 percent in Telangana 7.5
percent in Rayalaseema. Agricultural development in Telangana
and Rayalaseema was neglected. As a result borewell and
dugwell irrigation increased significantly. As a result, there was
depletion of water table in Telangana and Rayalaseema regions.
This is one of the many exploitations and this list can go and on
http://planningcommission.nic.in/reports/sereport/ser/std_pattrnAP.pdf
2) Regarding your comment on “Settlers”
Hyderabad has been a cosmopolitan city and will be a cosmopolitan city.
There are several Kannada, Marathi, Gujurathi, Panjabis living in Hyderabad for decades. Settler word was never used. Why? Because, they have assimilated into the main stream, and they did not try to colonize.
Contrary to other migrants, Andhras, distanced themselves from the rest of the Hyderabadis. Mostly confined to specific areas of the city, never tried to learn their “yasa”, food habits etc. etc.
Most importantly, this so called “settler” word is created and used recently (as early as few months ) and mostly by Andhras themselves and media.
While in Rome be a Roman.
3) Regarding your comment on Lack of skills…
Are you saying by birth Telanganites are dumb? Shame on someone to make such comments!
Telanganites have been suppressed all these years starting with education, jobs, political system and every where. Some of the examples are:
Jobs: Only 20% of total Government employees, less than 10% employees in secretariate, less than 5% of head of the departments in Andhra Pradesh are from Telangana.
Budget Allocations: Expenditure incurred on this region has never been more than 25% to 30% of total expenditure of Andhra Pradesh. Most years, funds allocated to Telangana were never spent.
Political power: Andhra Pradesh was ruled by Telangana chief ministers for only 6-1/2 years out of over five decades of its existance. No Telangana chief minister was in power continuously for more than 2-1/2 years.
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Praveen Reply:
January 27th, 2010 at 10:40 am
Regarding ur comment
1)First thing is, everyone of you have a good look into the Human Development Index report of Andhra Pradesh for the year 2009 by the National Council of Applied Economic Research,a Govt body. You can find it here at this link.
http://www.ncaer.org/Downloads/WorkingPapers/WP99.pdf
For the relevant tables you can have a look from page 28.
One of the interesting fact is that of the top 5 districts having High HDI, 3 are from Telangana region.!!!!
And some more facts.
Please understand that the net irrigated area has increased from 27.47 lakh hectares to 55 lakh hectares between 1955-56 and 2001-02. 90% of the public expenditure on irrigation was spent on Major irrigation projects and remaining 10% on the minor irrigation projects. As Telangana is in the Deccan Plateau region there irrigation cannot be done as like other places. It comes under minor irrigation.
IRRIGATION:
In 1st & 2nd Plans, after facing devastating famines, producing food grains towards self sufficiency was the priority and investments in Andhra area in irrigation projects provided optimum return/expenditure ratio. In national interest towards food grain self sufficiency irrigation investments were made in Andhra area not out of any love towards Andhras.
CANALS AND WATER:
Telangana is part of Deccan Plateau. It is on quite high level compared to Andhra which is nearer to sea level. That water flows from up downwards and not the other way round. The gravity line naturally facilitates and promotes canal irrigation in delta areas whereas it is not so feasible in plateau regions. From Godavari and Krishna in Telangana area it is only possible to irrigate through lift irrigation which requires so much energy to produce which big industries are needed. So well and tank irrigation is suitable and needed for such regions. That was well looked after in the olden days but the modern rulers of all regions neglected it. Tube wells are so extensively dug in Telangana and I understand in Rayalaseema also that the water table there has precipitately fallen down. This is man-made disaster, just blaming the governments is also not good.
Lift Irrigation projects are the only feasible way to extract water and they seem be very expensive like prana hitha chevella project(40,000 cores +) with a lot of energy needs to lift the water. how much of this is valid? Can someone suggest some locations for any projects that can be constructed in telangana region which are not lift based and provide large benefit to the underserved parts of the telangana (with cost benefit analysis)?
2)’settlers’ word was first used by ur beloved kcr when jago bago (another dumb) program (if u dont know this just see the newspapers from last one year).. u know the gujarathi/north people(goto CTC where computers are sold & ranigunj where all type of motors etc are sold) are doing business but many of them dont know telugu nor cant understant., if u have to deal with them we had to deal in hindi(any body stayed in hyd for a few months can know this).. but what the pity thing here is those guys are still encourages and our own telugu guys are accused if they start businesses (in name of exploitaion).. regarding the accent., the hyd accent (its a mix of telugu/hindi/urdu) is different from telangana accent and the guys who settled in hyd for ten years know this accent well..
3)Govt Jobs???
I clearly told in my above stmt that only the guys who can’t get an opportunity other then that I didn’t accused anybody nor said that “birth Telanganites are dumb”., its u created/assumpt I meant like this and exaggerating the statement.. what I had to call regarding this exaggeration???? A DUMB ASS FELLOW who misinteprate the things without any shame..
I studied in hyd & I had many friends from telangana region(nizamabad, waralgal, nalgonda) and many of my colleagues are from telangana who are very brilliant and contrary to ur view my company (an medium IT company) contains majority from Telangana (the owner belongs to nizamabad., it may be a reason
)
for govt jobs they will give notification for which we had compete and must get selected., if a guy is not upto the mark then it is his fault., there are lakhs of guys in andhra/rayalseema who doesn’t got jobs they never said some body grabbed their jobs., if the some of T guys(again I am streesing its on SOME but not ALL) who are making a hue cry..
If u take the present situation of jobs., where are jobs in govt sector., is there any sector in govt which provided atleast 1000 per year contiusolly from the last ten years????? the jobs are only in private sector for whom it wont matter where are u from????
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Praveen Reply:
January 27th, 2010 at 11:05 am
Venu for ur info:
1)Andhra- means telugu literally, andhra pradesh means, land of telugu .
((so its baseless, to even argue with the section of telugu people who do not even know the roots and changing the word Andhra to telangana where and when ever they like..thinking that Andhra relates to coastal or rayalaseema) )
2)entire telugu land despite having many kingdoms historically ,were together during 3 great empires,satavahans,kakatiyas and the vijayanagara dynasty, the golden period.
3) it is due to the malicious intentions of alien rulers -mughals,nizams and british -the telugu land is divided in to 3 regions-telangana, northern circars or coastal and the rayalaseema.
how many people from telangana know the basest of basic facts that it is the nizam( s ) who is ( are ) the real culprits .
Friends brush up on these below facts:
during the 6 treaties nizam signed with the british
1) in 1766 1st treaty nizam gave away the northern circars to british,in return for payment of 90,000 pounds annually by the british to the nizam or british assistance to nizam when needed ( either 1 option annually).
2)in 1768- 2nd treaty- as nizam succumbed to british , had to forge a gesture of friendship ,british payed an annual allowance of 50,000 pounds.
3)in 1788 nizam gave up guntur district to british in return for an annual tribute of rs 7 lakhs.
4) in 1798, nizam signed the subsidiary alliance treaty with british.
5) in 1800, nizam ceded the 4 districts of then kadapa, ananthapur,kurnool,bellary,in return fot the payment for the maintainanace of the subsidiary force in hyderabad.
thus by 1802 coastal andhra and rayalasemma came under the rule of british , where as the telangana region remained with nizam.
6)in 1803 nizam signed another treaty with british, by which the forces of hyderabad,were placed at the disposal of british for any kind of emergency.
this is the brief glimpse of how telugu land was divided.friends i recommend all of you to read this section of history.
so my co-patriots from telangana region, i would argue, thus,nizam developed hyderabad and telangana region and protected his interests, by selling the regions of coastal andhra and rayalaseema to british for an annual fee.
so if you claim hyderbad was an already developed city for 3 to 4 hundered years,where did most of that kind of money for its development come from , in those days…………………by selling our regions , so who is exploited by whom…….
Nizam infact by selling the coastal region and rayalaseema to british , sold entire India to british in a way ,cause, british got a strong hold in India thanks to Nizam.
so indirectly who contributed to hyderabad’s development pre-independence……..
Prior to independece, great leaders from all the 3 regions together participated, motivated people from telangana region to revolt against nizam , famously called-telangana saayudha poratam, -it was not for thr formation of seperate telangana, it was a revolt against the atrocities of the nizam.
Along with the leaders from telangana , great men like chandra rajeswara rao, puchhalapalli sundariah participated to name a few……..do you know from where they are…….did they think why to bother about telugu people in telanagana…..
do you know why telanagana was socially backward mark my words socially backward not economically post independence…………solely due to dora pettanam…..instituted by nizam for his selfish needs,these doras, practised vetti chakiri-bonded slavery, to name a few reddy doras, velama doras, police patels etc etc, high caste telagana people exploiting the backwardness of the downtrodden ,but economically telangana was always viable, except, the money was loaded amongst the dora’s after nizam.
so why blame other regions for your own faults.
for every evil deed forced on innocents , god will give a boon to the innocents.
nizam was evil, he sold the coastal and rayalaseema to british, for his selfish needs.but it turned out a boon to those regions, because british built dams on krishna and godavari ,english education system was started , people got educated, etc etc………..
so my co-patriots from telangana region, to let you know, the people from coastal or rayalaseema,did not become rich or educated by exploiting telangana from decades and decades, as you’ll are proclaimimg.
Major Achievements of United AP in Hyderabad…
1. IIT, Kandi
2. Rajiv Gandhi International Airport, Shamshabad
3. Jawaharlal Nehru Outer Ring Road (ORR)
4. P.V.Narasimha Rao Elivated ExpressWay
5. India School of Business, Gachibowli
6. Indian Institute of Information Technologies (IIIT)
7. GMC Balayogi Sports Complex, Gachibowli
8. HiTech City,Madhapur
9. Bharat Heavy Electricals (BHEL)
10. Electronics Corporation of India Ltd (ECIL)
11. Indian Institute of Chemical Technologies (IICT)
12. Rajiv Gandhi Cricket Stadium, Uppal
13. Hyderabad Central University (HCU)
14. Center for Cellular and Molecular Biology (CCMB)
15. National Institute of Nutrition (NIN)
16. Birla Institute of Technology and Science ( BITS,Pilani)
17. Nuclear Fuel Complex (NFC)
18. N.G.Ranga Agricultural University
19. NABARD
20. IRBT
21. JNTU
22. Nalsar Law University
23. Urdu University
24. Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL)
After forming the state Hyd got the above, only as it is capital of United Andhra Pradesh but not it is in telangana
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anigalla.net Reply:
January 29th, 2010 at 11:21 am
@ Praveen
No point in trying to educate the educated people who are acting the sleep, you can’t wake them up ever.
Praveen Reply:
January 31st, 2010 at 10:30 pm
@angila Even I am too realizing the same
Raj Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
Praveen:
I’m really proud of this sensible article as someone is trying to lay down the facts in writing and the author didn’t even mention all other cultural, moral and economic massacre the Telangana people have faced in last 50 years from Andhra folks.
Quote: “truth is always bitter”
On your Comment: “The author seems just another dumb brainwashed pro T guys”
I think the author is an intellectual which is beyond your imagination and thinking.
Please remember the Quote: “You can fool some people sometimes but you can’t fool all the people all the time”
Yes, all Pro-Telangana supporters are brainwashed and BTW there are about 99% of the population in Telangana with same sentiments - now go figure out.
Comment: “How many orginal hyd people are there now in entire hyd population now??? ”
This is a good question and resembles your attitude and this is one of the reason we don’t like some Andhra people - It’s like asking Germans or some other native person in their homeland or region as “how many Germans are living in Germany” If you ask this question in Germany you will know what will happen!
Learn to live amicabily and don’t supress the aspirations of the local people coming from outside as they are only asking to Govern themselves not for dividing the country.
You don’t understand the meaning of “Cosmopolitan” so I’m not going there.
Telangana People are one of the most Hospitable and Generous Folks in India.
Jai Hind!!!
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Praveen Reply:
January 27th, 2010 at 10:44 am
I will tell u the present situation/mood
If a T guy accuses the people from andhra/rayalseema with words like “looters, cheaters, thiefs”., the andhra guys are not given chance to reply if they give they are faulted., if a non T guy tells about T guys like “dumb ass fellow”., the non T guys are accused (like u said)..
Heads T guys wins.. Tails non T guys loose..
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Bhavya Reply:
January 27th, 2010 at 11:27 am
Mr. Raj,
Very Nice and rocking comment! I totally agree with you.
JAI HIND!!:)
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Kavya Reply:
January 27th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
i agree binni , that was a really good article inni ,
Jai Hind ( peace on earth please)
Kavya
Charan Reply:
January 26th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
Praveen sir,
I want to respond to your “lack of skills” comment on T guys…
We are ready to compete but the competition should be fair right…dont think that we are loosing the fights all these days because of lack of skills…but it is because of the partiality of the organizers (who are politicians, bureaucrats, government employees sitting in the capital and mostly from the same region)
Small example your your claim on Hyderabad….Microsoft is rich and there is so much contribution from indian IT guys in it…but if you tell bill gates that Microsoft belongs to Indians and lets publicize it….what do you think he will do….
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Praveen Reply:
January 27th, 2010 at 10:50 am
Charan Ji,
“lack of skills” is for people from all regions., but only some T guys who cant make it are making an hue cry and blaming others for their failure., the guys from andhra/rayalseema who cant make it are not accusing anybody (may be they dont got chance)
Before recessions in total AP the IT companies recruited people majorily from colleges (engg, mca) around hyd., if a college is in hyd it had an local quota (i.e guy must be from local region i.e telangana) of 80%.. means the persons who got benifitted are from telangana the most..
I studied in hyd & I had many friends from telangana region(nizamabad, waralgal, nalgonda) and many of my colleagues are from telangana who are very brilliant and contrary to some people’s claims my company (an medium size IT company) contains majority people from Telangana (the owner belongs to nizamabad., it may be an reason
)
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Praveen T Reply:
January 29th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Praveen,
what you say is just opposite.
Simple example, and it took these many years for me realise, that, after we finished our PG studied in Hyd, 6 poeple got select in Satyam, all from Andhra.
Now nobody needs to expain why.
Praveen Reply:
January 31st, 2010 at 4:33 am
what can anybody do here???? A private company wants only talent.. they won’t mind if you are frm telangana/andhra/seema/tamilnadu/orissa/bihar/or some other place
Charan Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
You are great Praveen…When your company (a medium size IT company) contains majority people from Telangana because the owner belongs to nizamabad., you cant think then that they ONLY wants talented but when Satyam does it you want to say they they require only talented people (from Andhra)….This clearly shows your views….”you are not crying and blaming anyone”…why dont you read your own comments in the blog…….I really dont know that we have something called local quota in colleges of hyd where 80% seats are alloted on basis of Telangana or Andhra region…because we have 2 colleges in Hyd and I dont know any such kind of quota…you said the “T” guys who cant make it are crying or blaming others for failure….do you think all the Students, Farmers, Govt employees, Politicians, Businessmen, NRIs are the failed people??
Praveen Reply:
February 16th, 2010 at 1:25 am
Charan
My company’s owner if from nizamabad and he had some soft corner for nizamabad people, it doesn’t mean (& I doesn’t told) that he recruits who ever come from nizamabad
(if he had that partiality I will be not here in this company) & satyam had offices in some 41 countries, they can’t recruit only andhra people for all those 41 countries 
Which 2 colleges do you own in hyd??? Then we must report to OU VC about your colleges
. Goto any EAMCET or ICET counselling sessions, you will find what a local quota is about.. 80% of the counselling seats are reserved for local candidates (for telangan people under OU, for seema people under SVU etc and again they are further divided according to reservations).. simply don’t talking without knowing anything.. Even I got effected with this local quota system.. I got a reasonable rank in ICET but due to this local quota system I didn’t got seat in hyd (I had to pay donation), but many of my PG friends (who are local to OU) got seat although they got a very less rank then me.. I didn’t blame anyone for this.. Because the system is like that and we must follow it..
Once again read my previous comments, ONLY SOME GUYS are making the T agitation not all.. I had many friends/colleagues from telangana & many of them want the state to be united (again don’t mark them as traitors of telangana
). They want to do something for their land but they doesn’t want bifurcation.
San Reply:
January 26th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
Praveen :
Hope you read all the comments made by different people and understood what really went wrong with imperialistic attitude of Andhrites and their exploitation on Telangana.
Your comment on false propoganda — Can you please be little more specific ,explain the real facts that you know ?. Don’t make statements that have no supporting facts/sources.
Documents are open to public in any Govt. Offices in the state on request for Rs. 2/-. I advise you to go and get those documents and compare the growth and prosperity in Coastal regions and telangana.
Here is one of the examples from a recent statistics pulled regarding education and educational institutes in 3 regions. This is just one of the examples in one of the fields–EDUCATION. See how much is spent on aided Junior/degree colleges ?
More details into it(not shown below) show that Ranga Reddy district is the most effected inspite of being the most expensive/sort after place in and around hyderabad for real estate and the revenue it generated in last 5 years on taxes. Where are these taxes going? Why can’t they build more colleges?
EDUCATION
Andhra Rayalaseema Telangana
Junior colleges 266 138 176
Degree colleges 167 70 74
All kinds of schools 26,786 12,857 17,594
Teachers in schools 88,435 38,552 65,040
Literacy rate 39% 38% 30%
Amount spent on 17.4 7.73 2.63
aided Junior
colleges (in crores)
Amount spent on 365 162 55
aided Junior
colleges (in crores)
from 1969
Amount spent on 38.52 8.74 5.76
aided degree
colleges (in crores)
Amount spent on 848 181 121
aided Junior
colleges (in crores)
from 1956
Primary schools (%) 48 23 29
The rate of growth in irrigation is almost zero compared to the exponential growth of 104% on coastal andhra since the merger in 1956..There are plenty of these to talk about, many more statistics to prove that this is not a false propoganda but a harsh reality that telanganites have been going through for decades.
I appreciate the author in presenting these facts sensibly and elaborating in her comments.
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Charan Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
I completely agree with you San….can Praveen answer on this???
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Praveen Reply:
February 16th, 2010 at 1:31 am
(charan Ji, I posted this long back, but the moderator upto now didn’t accepted this, so I am reposting for you)
San ji,
I saw these stats u wrote in many forums also.. reading these outdated stats many people got misguided.. these are stats for 70’s or 80’s ji
EDUCATION
Andhra Rayalaseema Telangana
Junior colleges 266 138 176
Degree colleges 167 70 74
degree colleges are 74 in telangana., do you know hyd itself had more than 200 degree colleges., and from past 20 years no govt college(junior,degree,pg) is opened and all are from private people.. The above stats circulated are outdated and show and misguided presentaion ji..
In 2004 when I went for MCA counselling in OU i saw more then MCA (that means PG) colleges in hyd only, now its 2010., I think they will be doubled
Praveen Reply:
February 16th, 2010 at 1:32 am
And some more facts.
Please understand that the net irrigated area has increased from 27.47 lakh hectares to 55 lakh hectares between 1955-56 and 2001-02. 90% of the public expenditure on irrigation was spent on Major irrigation projects and remaining 10% on the minor irrigation projects. As Telangana is in the Deccan Plateau region there irrigation cannot be done as like other places. It comes under minor irrigation.
IRRIGATION:
In 1st & 2nd Plans, after facing devastating famines, producing food grains towards self sufficiency was the priority and investments in Andhra area in irrigation projects provided optimum return/expenditure ratio. In national interest towards food grain self sufficiency irrigation investments were made in Andhra area not out of any love towards Andhras.
CANALS AND WATER:
Telangana is part of Deccan Plateau. It is on quite high level compared to Andhra which is nearer to sea level. That water flows from up downwards and not the other way round. The gravity line naturally facilitates and promotes canal irrigation in delta areas whereas it is not so feasible in plateau regions. From Godavari and Krishna in Telangana area it is only possible to irrigate through lift irrigation which requires so much energy to produce which big industries are needed. So well and tank irrigation is suitable and needed for such regions. That was well looked after in the olden days but the modern rulers of all regions neglected it. Tube wells are so extensively dug in Telangana and I understand in Rayalaseema also that the water table there has precipitately fallen down. This is man-made disaster, just blaming the governments is also not good.
Lift Irrigation projects are the only feasible way to extract water and they seem be very expensive like prana hitha chevella project(40,000 cores +) with a lot of energy needs to lift the water. how much of this is valid? Can someone suggest some locations for any projects that can be constructed in telangana region which are not lift based and provide large benefit to the underserved parts of the telangana (with cost benefit analysis)?
I am requesting you not to listen to illiterate morons who are presenting you with false and outdated statistics and please dont believe them
Hey Praveen,
i fail to understand how you missed the entire essence of the discussion after having read the whole article ( I suggest you go through the comments as well to get to the bigger facts and sources, if you havent already dont it ). You are talking about hyderabad being a cosmopolitan. A cosmopolitan is one that embraces multicultural demographics - this includes not just people from andhra, rayalseema but also the marwaris, gujaratis,parsees living in hyderabad ever since 1948.
“the same old false propoganda” - i’d request you to elaborate on this. if you are just talking about resources being exploited, locals with no jobs and your “blah blah”,please understand that it is very immature to discuss on such a issue with such levity in attitude.
You have treated two very senstive points with ignorance.
1) You said ” their lack of skills ” - can you please justify your statement.If people have resorted to violent agitations to voice their injustice , that doesnt make them any less capable or less intellectual. Their way of trying to get justice is probably not very good but as i live very close to osmania university i bear witness to the fact that this struggle is close to war. It is inappropriate to mention that it is probably politically influenced at this juncture. It might have been triggered by some politicalpower but it is now totally a students movement in the city. The author clearly states how it picked momentum in the rural areas as well. the media doesnt cover whats happening in the rural areas but the movement is still on. Doesnt that very point bloster the argument that it is the people who have realised the injustice done to them and no longer want to be victims of domination.
2)People from telangana dont want the settlers from other places to go away. If you have stayed in Hyderabad for long now, you are by default a hyderabadi
Mr. Praveen if you want to refute any statement please state sources and facts , dont pass judgements. Judgements can be influential.
I think all that the people want is justice and assimilation and not dominace like the author already stated.
Also please go through this link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentlemen’s_agreement_of_Andhra_Pradesh_(1956)
It is self explanatory.
But a request is please read before you make any blatant statements.
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Praveen Reply:
January 31st, 2010 at 4:58 am
I told ‘lack of skills’ regarding those people who are doing agitation as they didn’t got something (only SOME not ALL).. There are many people in andhra/seems who didn’t got jobs., but they didn’t pointed to another one for their failures (may be they didn’t got chance).. seems the statement i told is misunderstood by you, I request you to don’t misread it.. I had colleagues from T region who are very good at their work and contraty to other opinions my company contains majority from T areas (the owner is from T region, may be it is a cause
)
The agitation in OU once again shows the result what if innocent (or misinformed) students were mixed with politics..
“People from telangana don’t want the settlers from other places to go away”!!!
Please dont use the word settler, there is no meaning for it.. It is used (as recently as from 4 months back) by kcr
If person from andhra/seema/orissa/tn who came and settled in hyd some 20 years ago is called a settler what we must call a person who came to hyd some 5 years back from warangal or nizamabad., are they are also not settlers.. or what about the student of OU who may have come just last year or two years back.. they may leave to another state/country if they get jobs..
we are hearing in news that the T leaders had assured or the TJAC had assured the ’settlers’ about their safety.. when you use the word ‘ASSURE’ you must suspect their there is danger and something is wrong.. what the ‘assured’ leaders are doing when shootings sets are dismantled, shops are destroyed, privated vehicles are gutted!!!
If we start to use the word ‘assure’ means already it means u had no safety..
with the time passess we move from villages to towns and towns to cities (majorly to capital cities like hyd) for different resaons like employment, education. business etc.. and anybody can move to any place in India. The word ’settlers’ had no meaning
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rakesh sharma Reply:
June 25th, 2010 at 8:20 am
anna praveen anna i have to say you that you said “not to use the word settler’s” we did not used the word it’s you using the word listed below are the proof’s
The Telangana Settlers Forum
convener Katragadda Prasuna and co-convener Kanuri Jayasri
it’s you who call your self settler’s and blame
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Praveen Reply:
June 29th, 2010 at 12:00 am
Thammudu rakesh, evado edho party(or forum) pettadani, andharini vadi thati kinda lekka kadithe elaga cheppu.. and upto now I didn’t listened that forum or person’s name.. vadu ’settler’ ani feel aithe adhi vadhi thappu.. so ma chetullo leni dhaniki memu emi chestamu????
Praveen Reply:
January 31st, 2010 at 4:59 am
For the relevant tables you can have a look from page 28.
One of the interesting fact is that of the top 5 districts having High HDI, 3 are from Telangana region.!!!!
http://www.ncaer.org/Downloads/WorkingPapers/WP99.pdf
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Firstly, the author is a GIRL. So it is not a HE.
Secondly, all she was trying to say is that, the solution to the problem being faced by them is not going on hunger strikes and killing themselves. It will not achieve anything. The politicans who have started this movement are filling their pockets to either carry on the agitation or to end it.
I have not lived in Telegana nor do I have any friends from there so it’s true that I do not understand the hardships they face. But I also know that the solution is not to create a seperate state. Let us remind ourselves that we are Indians and we face enough shit from the outsiders to create shit inside as well.
Creating a new state, setting up a new assembly is only going to benifit the politicans, as always. Havent we learnt anything from the past?
But..well said Navya…I liked it.
Just for a fact…to everyone, please do not reply on wikipedia. Anyone can edit the information there. Rely on more credible sources before you attack someone for their opinions or statement of facts.
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navya Reply:
January 26th, 2010 at 1:57 am
thank you Tanvi!
You are right in saying that politicians will benefit themselves, but the situation now is beyond the state politicians. The common people are very much aggressive towards the movement, there is no turning back for them. We all know that most Indian politicians, especially the ones in our state, are very corrupt. But the thing is, creating a separate state is not only going to benefit the politicians. The people of Telangana want their own identity and self-respect.
What is happening now? Look at politicians like “blank” for example(im not going to say his name), that guy is the number one crook in our city. Through political patronages and by lobbying, he owns much of the city now. There are many more like him who get government favors.
Real estate prices are sky high. It is difficult for the people of the middle class to buy their own house.
Creating a separate state is not really dividing India either, after all, as you said, we are Indians first. But, we can also accept the fact that India is made up of many regions and cultures. How can we be an Indian without taking into account the different cultures and regions?
however, it is our duty to stay in harmony and at peace with one another. If creating a separate state will stop the fighting, why not do it. By not granting a state, do you not think that people will turn more rogue? They are not as educated as you or me. It is likely that more people will join the Maoists, and the exploitation will continue for them.
Also, the SOLE reason for most people( i don’t mean you) to say that they want a unified state is because of the city of Hyderabad. I can guarantee that 100%. Nobody cares about the other regions of Telangana.
I do understand your point of view though
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navya Reply:
January 26th, 2010 at 2:00 am
*I meant exploitation as in from the rest of the state, not the maoists.
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Tanvi Reply:
January 26th, 2010 at 7:46 am
Hey Navya,
I totally understand what you are trying to say. But also look at it from this point of view…that if they succeed in getting their state, then ten more groups are demanding their own region or state. The problem cannot be solved alone on the basis of dividing the state, but instead using that money for developmental purposes. Look at it from this point of view..
Supposing a new state is created…granted that the politicans will look at the development..but for how long? For the first election term. Secondly, they will need to set up an assembly etc etc, so more money would go there, hereby exploiting the middle class by making them pay the taxes(almost the same people who are protesting not really aware of the consequences). I am not saying don’t divide the state, but saying divide the state keeping in mind the consequences.
Also look at it this way. Almost 90% of the Indians would never want to surrender Kashmir to Pakistan or to allow it to be a free state, which is what most kashmiris want( survey taken by Indian Express and CNN-07). We are fighting for it like cats and dogs, destroying the state, its culture, its people and for what reason??? Absolutely no rational reason.
Each tribe, each community wants its own state. If we allow this seperation to happen, it will create this feeling of unrest because every community, tribe etc will look at this and say, why not us also?
In my opinion(although I understand where you are coming from), seperation is not the ONLY solution. There are others. But the people should understand and look at them, rather then killing themselves cause honestly in a country where we have almost a billion people, the only people who care for their lives(or is this case their death) is their family.)
Also…I was saying…issues like the Babri Masjid, The Godhra riots, and now the Telegana issue…innocent lives are lost. The political parties start it…and then they create unrest and chaos and are gone. I hope the people wake up before its too late.
PS: My only concern is where hyd will go..and I want it to go nowhere…But if the seperation takes place..both parties will fight over us. So this is going to continue for a long time…God I hate politicans….
But I love you:-D
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Tanvi Reply:
January 26th, 2010 at 7:56 am
Oh forgot to mention…when the whole world existed…like when India wasn’t even a nation( yes India wasnt a ‘nation’ until 1947-the British unified us)…our identity wasnt based on language or the region. I mean we werent tamilians because we belonged to tamil..nor did we restrict ourselves to speaking only tamil. Our identity was more then just that. We didn’t have the concept of mother tongue. So why now are we basing it on that? I mean I am a gujrati living in hyderabad while my grandparents are from Mumbai etc etc…So am I a Gujrati or a hyderabadi or a mumbaikar?
The elitist attitude will continue even when telegana will form. Granted more people will get jobs, but the ones who will lose jobs to accomodate them..what about them? And they will get jobs…but the rich will continue to get richer..thats all that will happen….
navya Reply:
January 26th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
I once again understand what U are saying. I was on the same side once upon a time:) I completely agree with you that separating the state is not the ONLY solution:)
BUT, tell me this, since the beginning when the state was created, till now, people talk about dividing the state or keeping the state unified, but have they EVER, like you said, stated that they will develop the regions and actually do it? No, they didn’t. Which is what frustrates me. And again, the situation now is more about identity. IF someone can guarantee that the exploitation and dominance will stop, there is no need for this whole discussion. Keep in mind too, that the vast majority of people in Telangana never wanted to be a part of Andhra Pradesh in the first place. What they feel is that their lives cannot get worse than they already are.
Your thoughts are idealistic, and I wish things can be that way, but sadly it is not possible.
On kashmir, I have always supported a separate Kashmir, and I always will, because of the innocent lives that are being affected daily. Do you not think the situation is quite similar, even though not NEARLY as intense?
It will be a shame if the rich can get any richer compared to the current elite. I do not think that will be possible, considering the fact that Telangana is ultimately a poor man’s revolution.
Another thing, when you talk about what your identity is, what am I to say? I am an American citizen, but India is my home. Truthfully, this whole separate state issue is not going to affect me in any way.
I don’t think I can agree with you on the pre-Independence era. Were we not more regionalistic then? God, we even had the rigid caste system that we followed. Our whole identity WAS based on region and language. I don’t know, maybe i just didn’t understand what you were trying to say…
Anyways, I think now, whether or not there will be a separate state, people are actually more aware of the hardships that the people face. Hopefully, even if there is not a separate state, people will have the heart to stop dominating and exploiting them.
Tanvi Reply:
January 26th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
Hey
Sorry I seem to keep going on and on but…No. contrary to what you believe, our identity was not based to regionalism or linguistic indentities. Check Sudipta Kavirajs writing for this.
Navya, realistically this is happening throughout India. Not only in Andhra Pradesh but the bodo tribes, in Jharkand. This will lead to more states, and believe it or not, more domination and exploitation. From what I see, or understand…the state gets divided, we need to have a new legislative assembly, more ploticans, more money for them, more exploitation and corruption. What will happen to the region? It may or may not develop.
They will not create jobs, but will take away jobs which people have here. And then the same problems being faced by them, will be faced by some people here.
We have only the politicans to blame for this situation, for I think that the whole issue is taking on a political colour. I am not questioning the reasons for their demands/request/wants. I am saying they are being coloured by politics.
But like you said, atleast people are aware of the hardships. But again, some people who started the movement were paid and thats all they wanted. They weren’t interested in the issue or the lives which were lost, just in money and their political career. Lets hope the issue finally shines through, as it should. And we find a sensible solution.
Good writing.
Navya Reply:
January 27th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
hmmm ur right:) Yes, the politicians started the movement, but the people are the ones who are active in it now. They will kick the politicians themselves if the situation is not in their favor. I think that is why many of them are not going to the Telangana villages …hehe. Plus there is no media coverage of what is happening in all the Telangana villages. Hyderabad, more specifically OU, is the only place that is covered.
I don’t understand how domination and exploitation can occur in smaller states. They are going to govern themselves right?
I checked out Sudipta Kaviraj’s writings. I came across this link:
http://criticalencounters.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/the-post-colonial-state-sudipta-kaviraj/
In it, he clearly stated that “For a truly historical understanding of the process by which groups of disparate people, separated by boundaries of religion, caste, language, culture came to imagine themselves to be ‘Indians’ it is necessary to disaggregate the conventional teleological narratives of Indian nationalism in two ways…”
Based on that, we can interpret that regionalism and language WAS the basic identity before we got Independence. Read the rest of the article from the beginning to end, we can get a better understanding.
did i miss something?
anyways, thank you for your comments Tanvi! You are adding a different angle to the whole discussion:D
and you are right, the bottom line is not really separation of the state, but the treatment of the issues. However, will they be addressed? I HATE POLITICIANS TOO!
Ramalinga Raju is classic example of Andhra people mentality. All is fake.
Compete with TGS poeple in fair fight, if you can. I know people from Andhra region are most fraudlant people in whole India.
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Navya Reply:
January 30th, 2010 at 3:38 am
Mr. Praveen,
I agree that some people made some very unacceptable comments regarding Telanganites, but writing such comments is not making you any better than them. Please do not degrade all the Andhrites in such a way.
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Praveen Reply:
January 31st, 2010 at 4:36 am
If you classify all andhra people by taking ramalinga raju as example, how can we classify all T people by taking kcr as example
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Charan Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
If you want to classify all the T people with KCR then there will be many more politicians who will follow A and R people…including factionists, murderers, rowdy sheeters ….hehhehhe
Charan Reply:
February 15th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
If you want to classify all the T people with KCR then there will be many A & R political examples in your queue…why do you want to target one person on this cause…he is not the only one who is fighting for this….YSR has included Telangana in his minimum common agenda during 2000 elections to defeat Chandrababu naidu…why region he is from??
Praveen Reply:
February 16th, 2010 at 1:40 am
I told not to compare taking one person as example and again you are doing the same.. Rowdies & murderers are there in telangana,andhra,seema and everywhere in India & world..
UPA govt included 2nd SRC in 2004 elections (not in 2000 man
) and KCR agreed for this, and later he reverted back..
Actually YSR is against congress patching with trs but the so called high command wants to patch with trs in 2004 elections (and ysr had didn’t have the lobbbying capacity at that time) and he had to abide it.. By 2009 they went single without trs.. (I am not a fan of YSR, but I think he done something for telangana then KCR who didn’t done nothing (except barking) for telangana)
Tanvi,
Looking at current and projected levels of Indian GDP, it is a good idea to have smaller states. We are getting to emotional about this division. Even after the separation, we will all be INDIANS. I would even go further to say, India needs to have smaller, more states to manage resources appropriately and focus on regional developement with manageable population.
Even if we have 50 states (instead of 28 today), we will be ~30mil each in a state. If you take US which has 50 states today they approx. have ~6Mil population per state, which will be far below what we will have in India after creating 50 states.
We need to get out of our old thinking and strategically create more states/regions that are passionate about developing themselves and create colloboration between them.
What we should be discussing here is about the failed security in Hyderabad and our failed state/central governments for not giving timely/effective decisions to move us forward. Let’s discuss strategy for better colloboration, economic developement, heal care and education to our people.
I am looking forward to have india grow 10% every year for next 30-40 years to reach our goal of being number 1 in 2050.
JAI HIND!!
Ravi
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Navya Reply:
January 30th, 2010 at 3:32 am
Mr. Ravi,
Thank you for your sensible comments! You are right in saying that we need to discuss strategies for the development of our nation as a whole. Arguing amongst ourselves is not going to solve anything:)
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Literacy rate 39% 38% 30%
This is the stat of 70’s ji,
According to the 2001 census, Andhra Pradesh has an overall literacy rate of 60.5%.
source: wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andhra_pradesh
According to the outdated stats you got the literacy rate must be around 37%., what I am requesting you is don’t listen to the false propoganda.. some guys are exaggarating the false minor small claims and not presenting the actual claims
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please go through this. completele unbiased stating facts,.
http://beta.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article80961.ece
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neutralcommenter Reply:
April 3rd, 2010 at 8:41 pm
Hi,
I have been going through discussions on this topic and am tempted to reply to this post.
Fistly I just want to ask rather than debating only on the current statistics does any one have the %improvement of different regions from the time AP is formed? I feel that this will give more insight on how the develpment has taken place.
am not against any ones comments or stand but I wish to make my point as an andhrite(Andhra Pradesh)
During the unification of india many pricely states had their own opinions but finally it is unified in its current form, though we still have many issues with other countries claiming the land that we see in india but I dont think many people will support for their seperation.
Seperation is not the point but addressing the issues is the point.
Politicians rather than trying to solve the problems are just pointing fingures on others stating that it is all because of them just to escape the situation and still take an advantage!!!Did any one of the really made any development, any instace??
As a matter of fact people of region will read and check the details of their area and the details that many telengana people have checked are pro the movement, I have seen many pople changing their stand.
Many of the articles state how they are being exploited but none of them give the comparision of the development that has happend in the regions, they only see the current rate.There are other regions that are of the same condition but they do not have info about that…
People who visit some of the rural T region say that it is backward but did they ever visit any of the backward Rayalaseema and Andhra regions? There might be some Andhra political pople who might have infuenced because of the wealth they have but unless the other region people have fallen for that wealth it would not have been possible.
If few people from andhra region comment on our background/language/resourse lets move competitively and make a point to highlight ourselves
Once the state is seperated the people who are greedy in politics and have never worked for their people will only run behind the power but not the development, If they prefer development they would have already done that than getting influenced.
The strength of the state at the center would become low..Did any one see the percentage grants to ap compared to other states?Does any one think that the backward states should ask to be a seperate country?
We have all the division in india states-districts-taluks but it is the efficiency of the elected people in that region that matters for any region.Would they further divide telangana if hyd people influence because of their wealth?
Hyderabad is the capital of AP not only for telangana and any capital should have equal options for all the people of its state but we still have a regional quota in hyd.Capital is a place where all the people of the state take pride in and have its best institutional bodies.
All the metropolitan cities have got high property rates and I dont think its because andhra region people, it is because of the development.Even local people who sold it made huge profits…
After all this from my view the best solution is to check the % development, make a note of all the backward regions and see how they can get on par with others.
Here we should also note about the restrictions imposed by natural resourses and people should also realise that every area in andhrapradesh can not have same development(infrastucture,jobs etc) as hyderabad but should be atleast on a living coundition of national average.Have spoken to few people who go from hyd to another telangana area and say that it is underdeveloped but I dont think that is the right way to compare, in our country we have still not reached a state where every place is developed in the same way!!!
I am not against people of any region.
There is no point in wasting money in fighting and loosing the oppurtunities we have, I have heard many people saying that why cant we move projects out of hyderabad to bangalore,mumbai,pune etc where there are no riots. Lets not get get in to loosing sittuation but collectively make a winning situation.Lets be realistic and look at all the development options.
Lets get the development and be one of the developed states of the country and get our rightful share from center by our representative strength in parliament, we are striving to get realised as people of andhrapadesh in the world and more over in india itself, many north people still know us only as Madrasis.
Any feed back and comments are welcome.
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Navya Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Read all the comments already made, you will find answers for your questions.
Once again, Telangana is completely a people’s revolution for social and cultural identity.
Did you read the article posted by Krutika? You should take a look.
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Whoever and Whatever …..illiterate people cant understand wht we discuss .. telangana is always neglected ..fr an example : ap s water quota is 900 tmc ..while andhra region get 500 tmc , rayalsema gets 300 tmc and for telangana its 100 tmc ..for your kind information it was signed as an ordinance thirty years back ! Ap total income is majorly obtained from hyderabad , and we cant even use the resources for our self ! wish of telangana is nt from politicians but its from hearts of telangana public !
let go lives ,
let go streams of blood ,
let go agitations , riots ,
V need telangana … no matter what !
jai telangana
jai jai telangana !
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heloo mr .neutral commentor
development can be possible only if andhra pradesh gets separated . how come india would form 29 states ..y not another state ! its in the indian constiution , if theres an controversy between people of two diffrent regions ..then its said that we can go for plebicite ..which andhra politicians are not accepting .they are afraid that it would come in favour of telangana ! we should take peoples pulse for this not this statisitics written by someone
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we are arguin to make someone agree our point of view !
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@ praveen ! not only ramalinga raju , lagadapati and even the one who killed naga vaishanavi ..this reveals andhra mentality
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Navya Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 pm
That does not reveal Andhra mentality, please do not degrade the whole group for the faults of a few people.
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ramalingaraju cheated public selling shares of the share holders ! did kcr do it ..whom did he loot ? there will pros and cons for everything ! cant blame each other . people in telangana are not going to accept this anymore .
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Awww ! really …factionists , rowdies , let them come we wil show wht naxalite power ….just come to the regions of osmania university , give a slogan somethin opposite to telangana ..i bet my life you wont come alive ..its more than a burning son !
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Navya Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 9:37 pm
naxalite power? more than a burning “son” ? ohhh I guess you mean sun…
Factionists, Rowdies?
Where are YOU getting this information from? Can you please provide facts with evidence which show that Osmania University is how you are describing it?
Please do not turn my university into something that it is NOT EVEN CLOSE TO.
Maybe you should come and visit the campus before you make such outlandish assumptions.
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Note to Praveen:
I cannot believe the way in which you are depicting the students of Osmania University.
You are downright demeaning them.
What right did the police have in stopping the students from carrying out the procession in the first place? Freedom of assembly is a constitutional right we have as Indians living in a democratic country.
Get your facts right. A few of the male students threw stones at the policemen because they were not letting them through. IF the police were not there, none of this would have happened. The police castigated the students first. Why turn a university campus into a war zone? Some of the students who were injured were taken forcefully from the hostels by the police even though they did not do anything.
What right did the police have in treating the OU campus like it was the Wagah Border?
IF the media was truly unbiased, they would have shown the people fighting for a separate state adamantly in Telangana villages, in a peaceful and democratic manner. Of course, none of that is covered.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/HC-tells-cops-to-stay-off-Osmania-varsity-campus/articleshow/5578266.cms
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hello navya ….
your university ?????
even i belong to the same university …OU ..( IPE DEPT )
I jus said we to hve the anti socialistic powers …does that mean all of them are the same …
Even naxalites have an agenda …even they are strugglin for Telangana …
Use ur speeches for somethin else …
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Navya Reply:
August 29th, 2010 at 11:23 am
you said:
“just come to the regions of osmania university , give a slogan somethin opposite to telangana ..i bet my life you wont come alive ..its more than a burning son !”
I replied based on that statement, because the situation in the university is clearly not how you are describing it, the people here are not violent to kill someone because they are opposed to Telangana.
Maybe I misunderstood you, I do not understand what you mean.
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Which department you actually belong to ?
Do you have any identity officially …..
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I jus meant to say that we can tend to go anti -social ways ….
Someone in this conversation said we are from rayalasema ..we are factionists , mafia , blaw blaw …so i just defended teeling we have naxalite power …
i dont find any mistake in my statement
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